Authors: Philip Roth
“Is this why the night before I left, when all those well-brought-up English liberals were loathing Zionism and attacking Israel, you jumped in and started swinging?”
“No, not at allâI said what I believe.”
“But with all this baggage, what
did
you think would happen when you married me?”
“With all your baggage, what did you think when you married
me?
Please, we can't start having one of those discussions. Not only is it beneath us, it doesn't matter. You simply cannot start putting everything in a Jewish context. Or is this what comes of a weekend in Judea?”
“More likely it comes of never before having lived in Christendom.”
“What's the United States, a strictly Jewish preserve?”
“I didn't run into this stuff thereânever.”
“Well, then you have led a very protected life. I heard plenty of it in New York.”
“Yes? What?”
“Oh, âstranglehold on the cultural life, on the economy,' and so onâall the usual stuff. I think there's more in America, actually, just because there are more Jews, and because they're not so diffident as English Jews. English Jews are beleaguered, there are so few of them. On the whole they find the thing rather an embarrassment. But in the U.S. they speak up, they speak out, they're visible everywhereâand the consequence, I can assure you, is that some people don't like it, and say as much when Jews aren't around.”
“But what about here, where I now live? What do you folks really think of us folks?”
“Are you
trying
to upset me,” she asked, “to bait me after what's happened tonight to
both
of us?”
“I'm just trying to find out what I don't know.”
“But this is all being blown out of proportion. No, I'm not telling you, because whatever I say you're going to resent and you're only going to go at
me.
Again.”
“What do the folks think here, Maria?”
“They think,” she said sharply, “âWhy do Jews make such a bloody fuss about being Jewish?' That's what they think.”
“Oh? And is that what you think?”
“It's something I've felt at times, yes.”
“I didn't realize that.”
“It's an extremely common feelingâand thought.”
“What is meant exactly by âfuss'?”
“Depends on what your starting point is. If you don't actually like Jews at all, practically everything a Jew does you'll perceive as Jewish. As something they ought to have dropped because it's very boring they're being so Jewish about it.”
“For instance?”
“This is a bad idea,” she said. “Don't you see that this is a bad idea?”
“Go on.”
“I won't. No. I am incapable of protecting myself against people when they start on me like this.”
“What is so boring about Jews being Jews?”
“It's all or nothing, isn't it? Our conversation doesn't seem to have any middle road. Tonight it's either sweetness or thunder.”
“I am not thunderingâI am dismayed, and the reason, as I told you, is that I have never run into this stuff before.”
“I am not Nathan Zuckerman's first Gentile wife. I am the fourth.”
“True enough. Yet never have I run into this âmixed marriage' crap. You're the fourth, but the first from a country about which, in matters relevant to my personal well-being, I seem to be totally ignorant. Boring? That's a stigma that I would think attaches more readily to the English upper classes. Boring Jews? You must explain this to me. In my experience it's usually boring
without
the Jews. Tell me, what is so boring to the English about Jews being Jews?”
“I will tell you, but only if we can have a discussion and not the useless, destructive, and painful clash that you want to instigate regardless of
what
I say.”
“What is so boring about Jews being Jews?”
“Well, I object to peopleâthis is a feeling only, this is not a thought-out position; I might have to discipline it if you insist on keeping us up much longer, after the chablis and all that champagneâI object to people clinging to an identity just for the sake of it. I don't think there's anything admirable about it at all. All this talk about âidentities'âyour âidentity' is just where you decide to stop thinking, as far as I can see. I think all these ethnic groupsâwhether they are Jewish, whether they're West Indian and think they must keep this Caribbean thing goingâsimply make life more difficult in a society where we're trying to just live amicably, like London, and where we are now very very diverse.”
“You know, true as some of that may sound, the âwe-ness' here is starting to get me down. These people with their dream of the perfect, undiluted, unpolluted, unsmelly âwe.' Talk about
Jewish
tribalism. What is this insistence on homogeneity but a not very subtle form of
English
tribalism? What's so intolerable about tolerating a few differences?
You
cling to
your
âidentity,' âjust for the sake of it'âfrom the sound of it, no less than your mother does!”
“Please, I cannot be shouted at and keep talking. It's not intolerable and that's not what I said. I certainly do tolerate differences when I feel they're genuine. When people are being anti-Semitic or anti-black or anti-anything
because
of differences, I despise it, as you know. All I have been saying is that I don't feel that these differences are always entirely genuine.”
“And you don't like that.”
“All right, I'll tell you a thing I don't like, since that's what you are dying to push me to sayâI don't like going to north London, to Hampstead or Highgate, and finding it like a foreign country, which it really does seem to me.”
“Now we're getting down to it.”
“I'm not getting
down
to anything. It's the truth, which you wantedâif it happens to make you unreasonable, that's not my fault. If you want to leave me as a result, that's not my fault either. If the upshot of my malicious sister trying to destroy this marriage is that she actually succeeds, well, that'll be her first great triumph. But it won't be ours!”
“It's pleasing to hear you raise your voice to make a point like those of us who smell.”
“Oh, that is not fair. Not at all.”
“I want to learn about Hampstead and Highgate being a foreign country. Because they're heavily Jewish? Can't there be a Jewish variety of Englishman? There is an English variety of human being, and we all manage to tolerate that somehow.”
“If I may
stick
to the pointâthere are many Jews who live there, yes. People there who are my generation, who are my peersâthey have the same sort of responses, they probably went to the same sort of schools, generally they'd have similar kinds of education, forgetting religious education, but they all have a different style from me, and I am
not
saying that's distastefulâ”
“Just boring.”
“Nor boring. Only that I do feel alien among themâbeing there makes me feel left out and it makes me feel that I'm better off somewhere I feel more normal.”
“The net of the Establishment draws ever tighter. How is the style different?”
All this time she'd been lying across the sofa, her head propped on a pillow, looking toward the fire and the chair where I was sitting. Suddenly she sat straight up and hurled the pillow onto the floor. The catch must have come undone on the bracelet, because it came flying off and fell to the floor too. She picked it up and, leaning forward, laid it between us on the glass top of the coffee table. “Of course nothing is understood! Nothing is ever understood! Not even with you! Why won't you stop? Why don't you save your nettle-grasping for your writing?”
“Why don't you just go on and tell me all the things you shouldn't tell me? Certainly
not
telling them to me hasn't worked.”
“All right. All
right.
Now that we have overestimated the meaning of everything and are assured that whatever I say will come back to haunt meâall I was going to tell you, which was no more than an anthropological aside, is that it is common parlanceâthough it is not necessarily anti-Semiticâfor people to say, âOh, such-and-such is frightfully Jewish.'”
“I would have thought such sentiments were more subtly coded here. In England, they say that outright? Really?”
“Indeed they do. You betcha.”
“Give me examples, please.”
“Why not? Why not, Nathan?
Why
stop? An example. You go for drinks somewhere in Hampstead, and you're plied by an active hostess with an overabundance of little things to eat and sort of assaulted with extra drinks and, generally speaking, made to feel uncomfortable by a superabundance of hospitality and introductions and energyâwell, then one is liable to say, âThat's very Jewish.' There is no anti-Semitic feeling behind the statement, it is merely drawing-room sociology, a universal phenomenonâeverybody does it everywhere. I'm sure there have been times when even a tolerant and enlightened citizen of the world like you has been at least
tempted
to say, âThat's very goyish'âmaybe even about something that
I
have done. Oh, look,” she said, coming to her feet in that perfect green dress, “why don't you go back to America where they do âmixed marriages' right? This is absurd. This was all a great mistake, and I'm sure the fault is entirely mine. Stick to American shiksas. I should never have made you come back here with me. I should never have tried to paper over things about my family that it would be impossible for you to understand or acceptâthough that's exactly why I did it. I shouldn't have done anything I've done, beginning with letting you invite me into your apartment for that one cup of tea. Probably I should just have let him go on shutting me up for the rest of my lifeâwhat difference does it make who shuts me up, at least that way I would have kept my little family together. Oh, it just makes me feel terribly cross that I went through all this to wind up with yet another man who cannot stand the things I say! It's been such an extended educationâand for
nothing,
endless preparation for just
nothing!
I stayed with him for my daughter, stayed with him because Phoebe went around with a sign on her head saying, âOne father in residenceâand it's a lot of fun.' Then stupidly, after you and I met, I said, âBut what about me? Instead of an enemy for a husband, what about a soul mateâthat unattainable impossibility!' I've gone through hell, really, to marry youâyou're the most daring thing I've ever done. And now it turns out that you actually think that there is an International Gentile Conspiracy of which I am a paid-up member! Inside your head, it now turns out, there is really no great difference between you and that Mordecai Lippman! Your brother's off his rocker?
You are your brother!
Do you know what I should have done, despite his generally outrageous behavior to me? True to the tradition of my school, I should have laced my shoes up tighter and got on with it. Only you feel so dishonest and so cowardlyâcompromising, compromisingâbut maybe the compromising is just being grown-up and looking for soul mates is so much idiocy. I certainly didn't find a soul mate, that's for sure. I found a Jew. Well, you certainly never struck me as very Jewish, but that's where I was wrong again. Clearly I never began to understand the depths of this thing. You disguise yourself as rational and moderate when
you
are the wild nut!
You are Mordecai Lippman!
Oh, this is a disaster. I'd have an abortion if you could have an abortion after five months. I don't know what to do about that. The house we can sell, and as for me, I'd rather be on my own if this is going to go on all our lives. I just can't face it. I don't have that kind of emotional reserves. How terribly unfair for you to turn on meâ
I
didn't plant that woman next to us! And my mother really isn't my fault, you know, nor are the attitudes with which she was raised. You think
I
don't know about people in this country and how petty and vicious they can be? I don't say this to excuse her, but in her family, you know, if you weren't a dog or didn't have a penis, you weren't likely to get much attentionâso she's had to put up with her shit too! And quite on her own has come a very long way. As have we all! I did not choose to have a malicious sister and I didn't choose to have an anti-Semitic motherâno more than you chose to have a brother in Judea toting a gun, or a father who, from all you say, was not extremely rational about Gentiles, either. Nor, I remind you, has my mother said a single thing to offend you, or, privately, to offend me. When she first saw your picture, when I showed her a photograph, she did say, rather quietly, âVery Mediterranean-looking, isn't he?' And I said, just as quietly, âYou know, Mummy, I think, taking a global view, that blue eyes and blond hair may be on the way out.' She nearly wet herself, she was so astonished to hear such a sentiment from the lips of her amiable child. But, you see, like many of us, the illusion she's come to is the one she wants. However, she was quite smooth about it, really, didn't rise to it in any wayâand otherwise, though you are a homewrecker, as I've explained to you, and
any
new man of mine, Gentile as well as Jew, would be clouded by that, she said nothing more and was actually quite nice, wildly so, really, for someone who, as we know, is not all that keen on Jews. If this evening she was âglacial,' it's because that's how she is, but she has also been as affable as she can, and probably that is because she is very anxious not to see
us
now go off in different directions. You really think she wants me to have a
second
divorce? The irony is, of course, that she's the one who's turned out to be rightânot you and me with our enlightened blather but my bigoted mother. Because it's obvious that you
can't
have people from such different starting points understand each other about
anything.
Not even we, who seemed to understand each other so marvelously. Oh, the irony of everything! Life always something other than what you expect! But I just cannot take this subject as the center of my life. And you, to my astonishment, want suddenly to take it as the center of yours! You, who in New York hit the ceiling when I called the Jews a ârace,' are now going to tell me that you're genetically unique? Do you really think that your Jewish beliefs, which I can't see on you anywhere, frankly, make you incompatible with me? God, Nathan, you're a human beingâI don't care if you're a Jew. You ask me to tell you what âus folks' think about you folks, and then when I try to, as truthfully as I can, without fudging things, you resent what I say,
as predicted.
Like a narrow-minded fart! Well, I can't stand it. I won't! I already have a narrow-minded mother! I already have a crazy sister! I'm not married to Mr. Rosenbloom in North Finchley, I'm married to
you!
I don't think of you, I don't go around thinking of you as being a Jew or a non-Jew, I think of you as yourself. When I go down to see how the house is coming along, do you think I ask myself, âIs the Jew going to be happy here? Can a Jew find happiness in a house in Chiswick?'
You're
the one who's mad. Maybe on this subject
all
Jews are mad. I can understand how they might be, I can see why Jews feel so touchy and strange and rejected, and certainly misused, to put it mildly, but if we are going to go on misunderstanding each other about this, quarreling all the time and putting this subject at the center of our lives, then I don't want to live with you, I
can't
live with you, and as for our babyâoh, God only knows, now I'll have
two
children without fathers. Just what I wanted! Two children without fathers in residence, but even that is better than this, because this is just
too stupid.
Go back to America, please, where everybody loves Jewsâyou think!”